I agree with all of this.
I hate when that happens.

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lancelot14466 |
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>>In order for him to win, he needs to move to the center. Let him do it. He's a politician. If you want him to win, you're going to have to let
him do what politicians do. And you're probably wrong to jump to the conclusion that his vote on FISA or his faith-based pitch are serious indications as
to how he's going to govern. Every election season produces two versions of each party's nominee: the nomination candidate and the general election
candidate. There is a high level of political posturing in both and you have no way of knowing which one better reflects the candidate's approach to
governing when actually in office. >>
I agree with all of this. I hate when that happens.
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What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy? Mahatma Gandhi (1869 - 1948), "Non-Violence in Peace and War"
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JennyJen38 |
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NOTE: It doesn't take A LEADER to get you to follow him in things that you already agreed with. It's takes a leader to LEAD not to follow the whims of his "base."Excellent point John. His 'surrogates' have been telling us over and over again since the primaries that he's not as liberal as the pat buchanan's of the world have been trying to make him out to be. Any Dem. they run against is always 'the most liberal of them all'. Obama, Kerry, Gore, etc. Leave it to a Repub. in Office to be upset that Obama didn't take money from the public. As for the FISA thing I think Obama is pandering regarding security but he still makes me want to go back and see his side of the reason he voted for it to understand his intentions. |
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kreliav |
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>>In order for him to win, he needs to move to the center. Let him do it. He's a politician. If you want him to win, you're going to have to let him do what politicians do. And you're probably wrong to jump to the conclusion that his vote on FISA or his faith-based pitch are serious indications as to how he's going to govern. Every election season produces two versions of each party's nominee: the nomination candidate and the general election candidate. There is a high level of political posturing in both and you have no way of knowing which one better reflects the candidate's approach to governing when actually in office. >>If it happens much more often, you should probably seek professional help.
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lancelot14466 |
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LOL!! Agreed.
Oops.
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What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy? Mahatma Gandhi (1869 - 1948), "Non-Violence in Peace and War"
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apmom |
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There is not much disagreement among the masses that our Constitution has been tramped on and pushed into the ground. To vote for any bill that still continues
to do that isn't just a compromise, it is a reason for me to question their judgement. As for oil? We have been lied to for many years and many times about
how much oil is available. The oil corporations have been hording their money and giving it away to their CEO's and stock holders (although they get a
piddlin amount of what is available also) and not building refineries. They have been drilling off the coast of my state and nobody gave a damn, but when you
mention drilling off their coast, the people yell to bloody hell. The prices have been artificially pumped up just like the price of gas and it isn't all
due to lack of drilling or available resources. WE allowed it to happen by year after year of picking the "worst of two evils" or simply buying the
bullshit they spoon feed us. No more for this old lady. I won't pick the "worst of two evils" which doesn't mean that I have to agree with
every position they have and I certainly don't buy the oil company reason for lack of gas and why they have to raise prices. Wake up. Our country has been
stolen right out from under our noses and it may well be too late to get it back without an all out civil war.
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Free50 |
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AP..we are in fact in the early stages of a civil war..have been for a while and it will be about class and a form of slavery..not race, but class.
We have the working poor and the ravaged middle class, dying a slow death...we may see pitchforks in the streets before it is over. Just after they serve the cake... We have a new system of slavery as well...undocumented labor, which has replaced almost all farm workers--and they work a slave wages, with afety and health undocumented as well--so that they can continue to work, without OSHA or anyone else interfering. It is below the radar, and supports a society emerged in class warfare. It will end one way or another, in blood or in courts.... lets hope it is in the courts
**" They say that patriotism is the last refuge
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kreliav |
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Wake up. Our country has been stolen right out from under our noses and it may well be too late to get it back without an all out civil war.so...when this apocalypse comes, what will the main battle lines be? who will fight against whom? and when do you expect this to happen? if there is a civil war, are you going to kill me?
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Free50 |
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come to think of it..isn't "CIVIL" and "WAR" a kind of oxymoran?
**" They say that patriotism is the last refuge
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FARGO, North Dakota (Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama
pushed deep into Republican territory in North Dakota on Thursday, saying he saw the potential for a
significant political realignment in November's election.
Staking another claim to a state usually ignored by Democratic contenders for the White House, Obama said Americans of all political leanings were hungry for something different after eight years of President George W. Bush. "I'm a firm believer that 90 percent of success is showing up and Democrats haven't been showing up in these places," he said in Fargo, North Dakota, a state that has not backed a Democrat since Lyndon Johnson in 1964. The visit to North Dakota, where Obama pushed his plans to help military veterans, followed stops in conservative sections of Ohio and Colorado this week. On Friday's July 4th holiday, he will visit Montana, another state that traditionally votes Republican. "If you look at the trends in many of these states, there are more and more independents who aren't tied to a political party and I want to make sure that we are reaching out to them," Obama said. "I think there is a possibility of a significant realignment politically in this election," he said. "Now is the time for us to have a conversation with all Americans, not just some Americans, about how we can pull together." Obama, a first-term Illinois senator, will face Republican John McCain in the November 4 election. Immediately after clinching the Democratic nomination early last month Obama signaled his intention to expand the political battleground in the hunt for the 270 electoral votes needed to win the White House. He launched his first general election trip in Virginia, another longtime Republican stronghold that has shifted toward Democrats in recent years, and has traveled to North Carolina and Nevada. He has promised to open offices in all 50 states and aired advertising in 21 states, including several traditional Republican strongholds including North Dakota, Montana and even Alaska. Obama hopes dissatisfaction with Bush and Republicans will help swing independents and some Republicans his way. Democratic voter registration and turnout has been higher than Republicans nationally and the Obama campaign has organized a national voter registration drive. 'WRONG DIRECTION' "Look at today's news -- 62,000 jobs lost, over 80 percent of American people think we are moving in the wrong direction, there is unease all over the country," Obama said. "I believe the American people across the political spectrum are hungry for something different, something new," he told reporters in a brief tarmac news conference after touching down at the Fargo airport. Obama also has taken aim at Mountain West states like Colorado, Montana, Nevada and Arizona, where Hispanic growth and a changing political culture have fueled recent Democratic growth. He told supporters at a Colorado Springs fund-raiser on Wednesday night that some Western states were up for grabs in November. He said he discussed the issue with former President Bill Clinton in a telephone conversation earlier this week. "We were talking about Colorado," Obama said, adding Clinton said there had been a "seismic shift" in the state's politics. Obama can afford to experiment in some non-traditional states. He opted out of public financing and its accompanying spending limits in the general election, while McCain will be limited to spending the $85 million in taxpayer funds. Obama, who already has raised more than $265 million in the primary race, could raise more than $200 million for the general election. Republican critics have said Obama's early moves were feints designed to keep McCain on the defensive in states where he normally could cruise to victory. Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs rejected that argument. "That is something you do in small markets in the spring," he said. "We don't have enough time for head fakes."
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lancelot14466 |
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>>Immediately after clinching the Democratic nomination early last month Obama signaled his intention to expand the political battleground in the hunt
for the 270 electoral votes needed to win the White House.>>
And thats exactly what he and his team are doing. Its a brilliant blueprint and there is a slight chance he can pull this off. IF he does, whoaaaaaaaaaa.
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What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy? Mahatma Gandhi (1869 - 1948), "Non-Violence in Peace and War"
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