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The "New Republic" nutroots are not pragmatic liberals' in my view. They are corporatist enablers, lobby army whores... to put it in nicer
terms.
Is this basically a military-industrialist perspective? You see the global corporations as encouraging imperialism and publications like TNR as
providing the intellectual justification for it?
Previous acclaim for Kreliav:
"What you post is just BS filler." --Tomguy53, 06/16/08
"Go f#!% yourself." -- whoknew, 4/13/08
"fantastically childish..." --cbabbman, 3/18/08
"[N]ot merely wrong but almost criminally insane." --gwhit, 3/18/08
"COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY WRONG ON EVERY ISSUE!!!!"-- gwhit715, 3/14/08
"We...were ridiculed [by Kreliav] constantly and consistently with disdain and a dismissive arrogance that is best reserved for a pile of poop lying in a
public place." -- cbabbman, 3/14/08
I'm sure you know the often sited President Eisenhower's statement about the military industrial complexes gripping power.
Indeed. You should know the context of it though.
Eisenhower's address reflected an ambivalence about the centrality of America's contribution to the defense of a free world. In the Cold War, America
proved to have the more vibrant, resilient economic system that allowed it to triumph. None of that was then known during Eisenhower's presidency.
Eisenhower looked at the world and saw a massive Soviet army that would not be repelled with traditional military power should it decide to invade Western
Europe. There were simply too many Soviet divisions. Eisenhower feared the implications of building up a massive army to meet the Soviets. It meant making a
free society into a militarized one. Instead, he relied on naval power, nuclear weapons, and a doctrine of massive retaliation (aka MAD). He wanted to guard
against America becoming a militarized state.
This is altogether different than the current context. The Soviet divisions have all gone home, and there are few nations left on the map that do not have
positive orientations to the global economic system America has built. Today, everyone wants to be the next South Korea. There are a few holdouts: Cuba,
Venezuela, North Korea, for instance that are not about to integrate; but almost all others have implemented or are attempting to implement the rule of law,
usually a democratic system, mass systems education, and a liberal capitalist economic system to attract investment and development based on the American
business model. All these things are usually in the interests of big corporations. So what? The outstanding point is that these developments are in
America's economic and security interests as well. Who cares if the corporations like it?
The Marxist analysis you subscribe to is not wrong; it was relevant especially during the 19th century and, to a lesser extent, in Eisenhower's time. It is
now outdated.
Previous acclaim for Kreliav:
"What you post is just BS filler." --Tomguy53, 06/16/08
"Go f#!% yourself." -- whoknew, 4/13/08
"fantastically childish..." --cbabbman, 3/18/08
"[N]ot merely wrong but almost criminally insane." --gwhit, 3/18/08
"COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY WRONG ON EVERY ISSUE!!!!"-- gwhit715, 3/14/08
"We...were ridiculed [by Kreliav] constantly and consistently with disdain and a dismissive arrogance that is best reserved for a pile of poop lying in a
public place." -- cbabbman, 3/14/08
The Marxist analysis you subscribe to is not wrong; it was relevant especially during the 19th century and, to a lesser extent, in Eisenhower's time. It
is now outdated.
I'm against the overwhelming influence of corporate power that now seems to control this country. That doesn't make me a "Marxist" in a POV.
Eisenhower seemed to make a clear warning, and he knew the dangers of other governments agressive attitudes. His clear warning was about our own corporate
ability to grab power and money thru the profitability of fear.
Seems like that is pretty much at play during the current Bush conservative propaganda days!!
But I will note another snide comment you have made about me.
I must be a "Marxist" commie.
If you think that kind of crap said about me is going to work, you are only fooling yourself.
Republican economics is not the solution to our problem; Republican economics is the problem
I believe K hasn't a clue other than what he has read in his books or what someone else advising him has read. First, he is too young to have actually
lived most of what has been discussed so he has no actual life experiences to reflect back on. Were he to have gone thru the days of Eisenhower, Kennedy,
Johnson, pappy Bush, Nixon and a few others, he would actually know what was happening and going on with the people and our government. For his youth I can
overlook much of what he believes but I fail to be able to overlook his ability to possibly accept that others may have actually been there and done that so
they possibly have a clue to the 'real' of the matter. When we quit listening and quit questioning and accept that all we hear and read is absolute, we
become the great loser.
While the conservatives in 98, 99 & 2000 were warning of the dangers of a generation of kids blowing each other and how awful it all was because of
Clintons 'example', we now have a generation of kreliav's who grew up in the 2000's who are arrogant, pompous and in spite of the
'liberal' educational system and 'liberal' universities, have adopted the mindset of the worst group of incompetent morons that have EVER been
in power in this country.
Book learned means nothing. Experience means everything. Real life, when finally experienced by this generation that grew up 'Bushed', is seriously
going to suck for them.
I'm against the overwhelming influence of corporate power that now seems to control this country.
Your analysis is not original. I've run into it many times before. It is indeed an offshoot of Marxism. That certainly doesn't make you a
commie. It doesn't even mean that you're wrong. The popular conception of Marx is that he was a pure evil ideologue. In reality, he was one of the
greatest sociologists and theorists of his time, having many interesting insights to offer that are still relevant. His class warfare paradigm continues to be
relevant today; but his main thesis -- his prediction that class disparities would give rise to revolutions followed by dictatorships of the proletariat -- was
incorrect. I've not accused you of subscribing to this prediction, or of promoting revolution. So, take it easy. What your analysis has in common with Marx
is the sense of economic determinism, or the notion that political outcomes can be explained with reference to economic phenomena. This is no crime and this is
why I did not consider it a slur to say that your analysis was "Marxist." In fact, economic determinism can be a useful paradigm for understanding
the world.
In this case, I'm guessing you believe that corporations encourage an "imperial" policy by their ability to mold public opinion through the
various media outlets that they control, convincing ordinary Americans that it is in their interests for America to act as world policeman. This is what you
meant when you said that TNR is a 'corporatist enabler.' Have I understood correctly?
Previous acclaim for Kreliav:
"What you post is just BS filler." --Tomguy53, 06/16/08
"Go f#!% yourself." -- whoknew, 4/13/08
"fantastically childish..." --cbabbman, 3/18/08
"[N]ot merely wrong but almost criminally insane." --gwhit, 3/18/08
"COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY WRONG ON EVERY ISSUE!!!!"-- gwhit715, 3/14/08
"We...were ridiculed [by Kreliav] constantly and consistently with disdain and a dismissive arrogance that is best reserved for a pile of poop lying in a
public place." -- cbabbman, 3/14/08
we now have a generation of kreliav's who grew up in the 2000's who are arrogant, pompous and in spite of the 'liberal' educational system
and 'liberal' universities, have adopted the mindset of the worst group of incompetent morons that have EVER been in power in this country.
I've said this before. My political perspective is not characteristic of my generation. I rather wish it were; but most other people my age
that I know are excited about Obama and dislike Bush. In fact, I do not know anyone my age who shares my statist / imperialist orientation.
So why do you keep repeat this? Is there any evidence you can refer to in order to support your statement that I am characteristic of my generation?
Previous acclaim for Kreliav:
"What you post is just BS filler." --Tomguy53, 06/16/08
"Go f#!% yourself." -- whoknew, 4/13/08
"fantastically childish..." --cbabbman, 3/18/08
"[N]ot merely wrong but almost criminally insane." --gwhit, 3/18/08
"COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY WRONG ON EVERY ISSUE!!!!"-- gwhit715, 3/14/08
"We...were ridiculed [by Kreliav] constantly and consistently with disdain and a dismissive arrogance that is best reserved for a pile of poop lying in a
public place." -- cbabbman, 3/14/08
Let us take this moment, bow our heads and pray that you are right K, that you are NOT indicitive of your generation or we are all doomed to repeat the life of
the Germans during their reign of Hitler.