what i learned in this thread is how little i know about guns! these guys to me look like gunsperts. my word for gun experts. i know what a bb gun is.

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What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?

Mahatma Gandhi (1869 - 1948), "Non-Violence in Peace and War"