out of respect for gator i will leave it here a while longer in case there are some who come in later and dont know about the issue. they can go to the I&S room.

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What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?

Mahatma Gandhi (1869 - 1948), "Non-Violence in Peace and War"