boy, i leave for a few hours and i come back and the thread is not quite as interesting as it was when i left. erb, you know how to kill an interesting thread, you do it enough. you answer questions with questions. its not a very good way to debate an issue unless you are deliberately trying to shut the discussion down.

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What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?

Mahatma Gandhi (1869 - 1948), "Non-Violence in Peace and War"