the point that i have been making here is: when the bush girls got caught there was a chorus in here about what bad parents george and laura were...those same voices are silent on the parenting skills of al and tipper...personally i don't think it is so much about parenting skills...drugs are fun and people like to have fun...
Jah, I toldja why Im harsher on the Bush parents. You cant preach family values and run on a platform of morals and have absolutely NO mercy while governor for drug offenders and then expect no criticism when your kid is drunk.

I also said its not about parenting skills but for all the reasons I outlined, Bush gets no passes from me. Jesus this thread is fucking long.

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What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?

Mahatma Gandhi (1869 - 1948), "Non-Violence in Peace and War"