>>You and Lou can continue to judge me based on how I acted 2 or 3 years ago if you wish.<<

John you included me in an agrumentative section of a thread I'm not involved in. Besides I only consider things you are involved with right now, not years ago. As in your "whining" comment a few days ago. I don't hold things from "2 or 3 years ago" against you, and have complimented your (usual) integrity and character several times in that time period. I try to treat people here as they treat me. If a person dissagrees with what I post but doesn't call me a whiner or say I'm full of shit, or say fuck you to me, I am as civil as the best of them, IMHO.    Tom is an example.....we have butted heads on topics but (to my knowledge)  have never cussed or called each other names (other than conservative or liberal    )